einstien said

topic posted Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:09 PM by  Jeff
"we cant solve our problems with the same level of thing that created them."
ive been thinking about this a lot altely. i must have seen this quote a hundred times but failed to notice the word "level".
i mean really notice it.
i dont think he meant that we can stay on the same verticle plane of thinking and just look at things from different angles.
though that can help.
what i think he meant was to completely jump the tracks, totally move out of the linear, point a to point b thinking,
to look at things from a completely different axis of thought...
maybe from a cosmic eye view...
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    Re: einstien said

    Thu, March 1, 2007 - 5:05 PM
    Jeff, I'm so with this. I'm Einsteining now on the Anarchy tribe, just trying to formulate constructive directionS, because A DIRECTION clearly doesn't work, to change society. It doesn't work because it hasn't. The foundation is cracked. It cannot work. The foundation must be re-designed.
    • Re: einstien said

      Thu, March 1, 2007 - 10:30 PM
      wow, i just wrote a magazine article on exactly this, transcending societal models.
      youre right, it doesnt seem to be working too well, at least theres a lot that needs tobe addressed.
      and we're gonna have to jump the tracks to get there...
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        Re: einstien said

        Mon, March 12, 2007 - 10:52 PM
        Hi Jeff, do you have the article, or at least a link too it? I am interested in reading it.

        Thanks,
        T
        • Re: einstien said

          Wed, March 14, 2007 - 7:24 AM
          i dont know that there was an article t. i googled it and came up with a lot of refernces just to that line, but not in context. if you find more please post?
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            Re: einstien said

            Wed, March 14, 2007 - 7:19 PM
            oh, haha, i meant the article that you wrote for your magazine. Can you send me that???

            thanks Jeff!
            • Re: einstien said

              Wed, March 14, 2007 - 8:55 PM
              oh THAT article! this is it!

              TRANS-cendence

              Einstein said, “We cannot solve our problems with the same level of thinking we used when we created them.”

              Why is it then that we wake up day after and think the same thoughts and feel the same feelings and do the same things that we did the day before, yet somehow expect the results to be different?

              It has become very clear that the models that we have been working with, as individuals and as a society – hell, as a planet – are not working particularly well. But we seem to be so busy blaming each other – the oil companies, Dubya, our parents, whoever – that we expend all of our energies pointing out what’s wrong, rather than opening to new models, new levels of addressing our problems.

              It’s not like we don’t know what we’re doing. Sure, there is a significant percentage of the population that, due to lack of education and opportunity, or just plain old fear, remains stranded in the mire of the status quo, but we cannot fall back on that default position any longer. It’s an excuse, plain and simple, and nothing more.

              Too many people on this planet are now conscious to claim ignorance any longer.

              We are in a period of cultural awareness unparalleled in modern times. Even science, via theoretical quantum physics, is now telling us that what we choose, how we think and what we look for determines what we experience in life.

              We cannot solve our problems with the same level of thinking we used when we created them.

              The challenge to this point has been lack of models for implementing a different level of thinking. Religion has tried, and some have actually presented viable tools with which to begin. But religion has accumulated so much baggage along the way – or more accurately, our perception of religion has accumulated the baggage – that many have closed to the door to that area of exploration. Worshiping instead The God of Materialism, we have opted to confine our experience of life to what we can see and touch and accumulate. We have become a nation of Stuff Worshipers. But hey, that’s the model we had to work with, the American Dream; the house, the cars, 2.2 kids, the dog and the picket fence.

              Let me ask you this; How well is that working for you?

              Here’s what happened; the American dream picked up it’s own baggage along the way, and has now become so cumbersome as to be archaic. The model doesn’t work anymore.

              Madison Avenue has convinced us that we must have stuff to be happy. It doesn’t even matter what kind of stuff any more. Almost any stuff will do. But in the process we have become so focused on materialism that we have seriously depleted the resources of the planet. Indeed, in our own shortsightedness we have sickened our own environment to the point where there are ecosystems on this planet that cannot even sustain life.

              We have confused success with acquisition, joy with how much we spend in the pursuit of it, awe with dominance and oppression, even love we have confused with over-dependence, power, control, ownership. We have become isolated from each other. We have picked up quite a load of our own baggage along the way.

              So how then do we begin to change it? I mean really change it, how do we jump the tracks and re-define our models, how do we let go of what is no longer working and begin to nourish and nurture better models to create a world that works for everyone?

              Perhaps an even better question is not how, but rather, do we have the courage to do it. Are we really, honestly willing to begin to step out of our own self-serving little worlds into a place of bigger awareness?

              Honestly I’m not convinced we’re ready to do that yet. Even those of us who profess to be conscious and progressive and open at the top still hang on to our separation from the whole of humanity. Why? Because it still serves us. Why, really?

              Erica Jong hit the nail n the head some years ago when she said, “Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame.”

              The problem is, we still need someone to blame. That is the root of the problem here, individually, societally, and globally. We need someone to blame, because if we let go of that, we would have to truly step into a place of responsibility for our own actions, our own thoughts, our own experience of life, our own planet. And for all of our talk and bluster, I don’t know that we have yet reached a point of maturity where we are truly ready and willing to take responsibility for ourselves.

              We could though, if we really, really wanted to. We have “new” models emerging, and ancient ones re-emerging that we could apply right now, today, that would radically change our world in a very short period of time. And there is something within us, individually and collectively, that is starting to re-awaken to this truth.

              Movies like What the Bleep Do We Know and The Secret are bringing into the mainstream a new level of thinking with which we can transcend our problems. Every single one of them.

              Science is now reinforcing what may of us have known since our species first stood upright; that consciousness, not matter, is the ground of all being. This means, simply put, that what we think and feel and believe, what we focus our attention on, what we expect, all factors in to what our world looks like, and our experience of it.

              It means that we can change our minds, and in so doing, change our life, and our planet.

              There are countless places to look, where a new level of thinking is taking hold, where change is starting to happen. 12-step recovery has a wonderfully simple model with which a personal inventory can be taken. Do you even know what you think, really? Maybe it’s time to find out. Take an inventory. Look at how you think about every single thing in your world. You may be surprised. You may even be shocked at what you find. But before we can begin to operate on a new level of thinking we must be familiar, intimately familiar, with the old level. We cannot set out on a journey to a new place if we have no idea where we are to begin with.

              Psychologists tell us that every one of us thinks an average of between 65,000 and 70,000 thoughts a day and 90 to 95% of those thoughts are repetitive. We have become numb to our own thought, yet we wonder why the same thing keeps happening. I’ll tell you why; it’s because we don’t know what we’re thinking. Literally.

              There are the teachers of our day that are spreading the word of modern day transcendence. People like Deepak Chopra, M.D., and Marianne Williamson, Eckhart Tolle and Mary Manin Morrissey, Dr. Wayne Dyer and Iyanla Vanzant, Amit Goswami, Ph.D., and Dr. Albert Einstein and Dr. Ernest Holmes and the Reverend Dr. Michael Beckwith are putting together the pieces and presenting them again for our consideration. They are articulating a different level of thinking that they will be the first to admit is nothing new, but rather has been known since the earliest of times.

              The Buddah is quoted as saying, "All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think, we become."

              These are smart people, yet they recognize that we share something essential; we share our humanity, and all that that entails.

              We are beginning to experience a resonance again that we recognize is perhaps even the sound of creation itself. It is something we have in common. It is, perhaps, life, perhaps that drive for survival that is calling us together as never before.

              There is a place within each person that transcends the status quo and our current models and judgments and labels and fear and beliefs, that cuts through baggage and dogma and greed and fear. It is the place that is recognizing and admitting that the way we have been doing things for the past few hundred years isn’t working so well anymore. Something has to change. And we cannot solve our problems with the same level of thinking we used when we created them.

              This article copywrite 2007, SpiritPathCounseling.com. Article may be reprinted with this notice included.
              • Re: einstien said

                Wed, May 28, 2008 - 11:50 AM
                Jeff,
                I was triggered by the line: "It has become very clear that the models that we have been working with, as individuals and as a society – hell, as a planet – are not working particularly well."
                It is assuming that everyone has the same clear understanding of something very wrong with how we live our lives. I challenge you on that. After reading the book "The progress paradox" I am not too convinced that the human race is doing so bad. In fact, based on objective criteria humans haven't had a better life ever in history compared to now. Where does this negative view on the world originate from?
  • Re: einstien said

    Wed, April 25, 2007 - 9:49 PM
    I have been taking the time every day to try and learn something new about the world around me and the cosmos above above me and the neurology with in me. With the growing understanding of the vast amounts of discoveries happening I feel like I understand what Einstien was saying. I look at the levels as stairs climbing closer to that great understanding of what it is to have a real understanding of what it is to be human. As I grow older I can see my problems from these other levels and understand why it happened. Hopefully I fix it and move on to keep growing and harvesting new ideas.
  • Re: einstien said

    Fri, April 27, 2007 - 9:23 PM
    Einstein and Galileo, just imagine where they could have taken us had they used modern computers and weren't shackled by religious zealots....
  • Re: einstien said

    Fri, May 25, 2007 - 11:06 AM
    ~Maybe this is thinking in wholes rather than in terms of special parts, like linear thoughts. Linear thinking is a very highly focused bean of consciousness, while wholes to me are a way of approaching that 'cosmic eye view'.
    ~Wholes are parts + their relationships, like Atom= subatomic particles + Energy (and much more).
    ~Poems approach this way of thinking: often they are constructed of a series of visceral images. Images are an older way of thinking, and are often accompanied by feeling and other sense data, so that a is a powerful 'whole' experience, able to convey a great deal of information. Dream language, imagination, painting/drawing, chinese ideographs and egyptian hieroglyphs are image-holons (wholes).
    ~The linear dissection process of pure thought, and what we desire to be 'pure' reason was perhaps necessary to gain the possibility of a depth of understanding of a specific time or place; but now that we have a massive compilation of knowledge, we can set about relating it all together.
    ~The medical field could begin to dialogue, and specialists like neurologists and geneticists, GI doctors and dermatologists, could work together to develop a complete understanding of how the body works AS A WHOLE.
    ~Darwin was a wholistic thinker, as well as Da Vinci, Einstein, Edison, Hildegard of Bingen.
    ~Great discoveries are made by putting the 'pieces' together.
  • Re: einstien said

    Mon, January 21, 2008 - 9:52 PM
    Making simple behavior pattern modifications, an increase in gratitude dispusement, not judging and not taking things personally, surrendering and responding instead of supressing and reacting, gives greater perspective and opportunity for creative thinking to occur. The idea that we can stop and look at a problem from a multi-dimentional perspective without judgement allows us greater mental latitude.
    • Re: einstien said

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 7:54 AM
      Hello All:

      On another site we've been using the analogy of the human brain as a window between the inner worlds and the outer worlds. To the extent that window is made increasingly transparent, then the individual automatically harmonizes what is possible with what is and was, That makes each individual responsible for not only him/herself, but also everyone and everything that he/she is connected to. Over time this process slowly transfoms universal realities from reactionary forms into outcomes directed by intentionality.

      Einstein contributed theories to our knowledge base which describe probable structures and system similarities which apply to both the inner annd outer worlds, thus rendering our journeys more rational and understandable. People such as Lisa Randal are doing the same things these days. Each of us has a responsibility to keep our windows as transparent as possible so that knowledge of the whole harmonizes and diffuses among us constantly.

      It is no surprise that musical structure has much to do with this process. Neither was it a coincidence that Einstein was a symphony class violinist as was his most prolific mathematical colleague at that time, Vaclav Hlavaty. Hlavaty was, at one juncture, the concertmaster of the Czech National Symphony. Hlavaty, an obscure Czech mathematician who came to America because of the the Czech uprising in the 1950's was the individual who did the math which Einstein theorized and translated Albert's visions of a unified field theory into geometrical structure. I would have loves to have been a bug on the wall whenever Al and Vaclav played the occasional duet.

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